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An Interview with Dr. Bruce Lipton

Written by Dennis Perman, D.C.   
Monday, 01 March 2004 00:00
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Earlier this year, ODOC had the opportunity to bring Bruce Lipton, Ph.D. and Dennis Perman, D.C., to our Spring Convention. From that association, Dr. Lipton had the opportunity to speak to the Masters Circle programs throughout America, which lead Dr. Perman to do an interview with Bruce for the MasterTalk recordings. This interview has been transcribed and is presented here with the permission of Dr. Perman. Attend the ICPA Extravaganza this spring and hear the Masters Circle Dr. Bob Hoffman and Bruce Lipton, Ph.D.

Dennis: We are on location in the MVP in Chicago and I just had the extraordinary experience of three hours with one of the most brilliant presentations I have had in recent memory. The gentleman I am about to introduce to you is an absolute treasure in chiropractic. Remarkably, he is not a chiropractor. But he is someone who got turned on to the chiropractic message in a very unique way and has something so significant to offer…This is future Nobel Prize stuff, people…Let me introduce to the MasterTalk audience, Dr. Bruce Lipton.

Bruce Liption portraitBruce: Thank you so much.

Dennis: Bruce, to try and encapsulate your research in a twelve-minute interview is near impossible. But I need you to make an opening statement about the environment vs. the previous understanding of the primacy of DNA. Could you give us a one or two-minute synopsis of what you just spoke about so I can use it as a jumping off point for the rest of the interview?

Bruce: Absolutely. The basic question we bring up is that our current belief or nature is that we believe that we are genetic automatons…that the concept of genetic determinism wherein our genes control our biology, our behavior, our emotions so that we become more or less a machine, and the character and quality of the machine is based on heredity, so that we become more or less a victim, I guess. If we got good stuff we are very happy and if we have negative characters we attribute that to things out of our control… our genes.

Dennis: Now, this idea of the signal that turns on what makes us tick, makes us work, being from the outside rather from the inside is a revolution! It is opposite of what has been “established,” quote-unquote, in organized science. So, this not only demonstrates a proof for the chiropractic premise, but it also very much demonstrates the proof for the Masters Circle premise, because what we say is, “Who you are determines how or what you do works…that success comes from you, not to you.”

I would like to spend some time talking about perception and belief, and how those factors contribute to the internal environment that leads to better and better function.

Bruce: Yes, so basically as we talked about, the old idea was that genes controlled it, but the new idea recognizes a new idea, a new process called epigenetics, and that means control above the genes. This is all within about the last decade or so. It is such a radical departure from our belief because it shows that genes don’t actually control anything, but that genes are responsive to the environment. So the cells have perception molecules that read the environment and then adjust the genes. The nature of it is very dynamic. Basically, it says that the genes would never know the plan for the future. So the belief that we are genetically determined is really fallacious, because how could a system know what was going to happen next and already plan for it. The system is dynamic, the genes turn on and off as they’re needed, and the response of the gene matches the need of the environment. So, then all of a sudden, we realize that then between the genes and expression is the perception. Well, the relevance about the perception is that that is a live-time event, as I am perceiving the environment right now. Well, the interesting part about the perceptions, is that these perceptions are then interpreted by the body which the adjusts the behavior and the genes of the system to meet the demands or needs of the environment.

Well, there are two levels of perception. One level of perception is that which we have learned over time. Once it is learned, we don’t have to relearn them again and again and again. So that, when the stimulus shows up, instead of going through our cognition and awareness, it just bypasses that and goes right to the learned behavior. In chiropractic, that is called “The Educated Mind.” The Educated Mind is a very good thing because it allows our mind not to be focused on everything at once, and therefore, all the small details are taken care of.

This is a good thing, but it has potential for messing with us, the reason being that we acquire the Educated through our experiences. Therefore, the experiences we have had may be good experiences, or bad experiences. Whatever way they are, we learn them, so that a negative experience could become an educated process that runs our biology. Then, instead of doing an adjustment that is a benefit to us, we adjust ourselves out of sync with the environment. And since it is “Educated,” we don’t even see that, and as a result the unfoldment of our life is controlled by our past experience.